30 years clean! Talking about treatment modes of recovery, challenging the “Disease” concept, and maybe even talking about the God of our understanding.

Mark Hertz was a Hazelden Alumni and I heard him speak in 2016 for Hazelden’s Second Sunday program for which I was a volunteer.

I recently heard he picked up a 30-year chip, and so invited him to be a Guest on Sober Wise Guy Series for The Incomplete Skeptic.

Marc is recently retired, but I'm really excited to hear him share his life lessons in recovery, mainly because he explores the Minority Opinion and discussed off-the-beaten-path ideas. I'll post the interview here after I record and edit it.